John DeSouza

It’s true, John DeSouza worked for ‘The Man’. A former FBI Special Agent, he worked for the Bureau for 25 years in counter terrorism, held top secret security clearances and worked in the violent crimes division, not that dissimilar to former MoD man Nick Pope. There is one stark difference though. Whereas Mr Pope nailed his colours to the mast and remains an open-minded sceptical believer in the UFO phenomenon, John DeSouza actively sought out the paranormal side of investigations when all other avenues had been exhausted. This work resulted in a handful of books to date detailing some of the less straight-forward cases the self confessed X-Man encountered during his time with the Bureau, and it’s those cases which have captured the imagination of the alternative community, even if he doesn’t believe E.T. is real – not in a physical sense anyway.

SOYM: You had a UFO experience when you were a child, is that right?

John DeSouza: Oh yes I talk about it in my book The Extradimensionals. When I was about ten years old I had an observation experience. I was with my family in New York City, we were at a party of some kind with hundreds of people, and it was really late at night. Me and a bunch of other little kids found each other and just kind of spilled out into the night at about 1am and we were just playing out in street. Something happened, I fell down and got hurt and the rest of the kids took off as they are prone to do and went back to the party. I was left there alone on the sidewalk just staring up between these two tall buildings. It was a very starry beautiful night and there appeared to be a dark spot where stars should be visible, like a large black ink cloud. And I stared up at that black ink cloud and from the bottom of it came spotlights, well what appeared to be spotlights, and then this old fashioned disk UFO came out from the bottom of that thing and began to approach me. I got hit by a blue-greenish spotlight, coiuld feel it going through me. As I was observing this thing, two young girls appeared on my left and they were screaming and hugging each other looking up at the same thing I was and one of them yelled at me “Little boy run home! The world might be ending!”

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Nick Pope

Nick Pope has been in the UK media a lot recently, talking about conspiracy theories. You can almost sense the tired resignation in the printed words as once more he’s asked about the existence of Nibiru or Planet X by an increasingly unimaginative UK tabloid press. And when he’s not replying to journalist after sniggering journalist trying to make sense of tin-foil hat topics, he can be found embroiled in social media battles debating followers of that great medieval fantasy – flat earth theory – when he’s not being mistaken for a Premier League goalkeeper anyway.

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Now a resident of the US state of Arizona, Nick Pope left the MOD in 2006 after a distinguished service spanning over two decades. But in 1993, a couple of years into a new post, the advent of a certain UFO and conspiracy-themed tv-show suddenly propelled Nick in to the media spotlight. The unexpected popularity of The X-Files saw the MoD inundated with requests for information regarding whether UFO files existed in their archives. Pope was given the unofficial designated role of press liaison which subsequently earned him the public nickname ‘the real Fox Mulder’. We spoke to Nick about his MoD career, his writing and his contribution to the release of the UK’s UFO files into the public.

SOYM: When did you first join the MoD?

Nick Pope: I joined the Ministry of Defence in 1985 and served there for 21 years, in a number of different postings, at increasingly senior grades as my career progressed. I was assigned to the MoD’s UFO project in 1991 and held this position until 1994, when I was promoted to the next grade up. Before being assigned to this position I had no interest in UFOs and no particular beliefs on the subject. To me, it was just another government job – albeit a bizarre and fascinating one!

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